Meet Dr. Recep Yaparel, psychologist and professor of Religion at Dokuz Eylul University, who believes that our reality is split into 4 distinct ecologies - physical, social, cultural and transcendental. Part 5/5.
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Dr. Nicholasko: The scientist proclaims, the only truth is science is based on this study. Now, quantum mechanics isn't the same now. Nature is not at all what you imagined. Nature is something has at least two levels. Now, if you can have two, you can have three, you can have four, different numbers. So you have layers, that’s the idea of levels of reality of the object. So you have levels like, I just describe quantum level and macrophysics level. But you can have other levels, for example cyberspace, in physics we speak about super string level which we supposed unify all interaction. They're different layers, different levels. Male: Dr. Nicholasko explains the layers of reality in another way. He compares it to the way different people is able to understand different kinds of poets. Dr. Nicholasko: If you take a poet, classical poet, like, take Lamartine from French poetry. Anybody can understand his poetry, it’s not a problem. Now, if you have a more complicated poetry like that of Mallarme who of course is an amazing poet, completely different structure. If in yourself you don’t have a level of perception, you’ll say he's rubbish, its nonsense, I understand nothing. It’s not that it’s nothing to understand. It’s the fact that you stay in yourself just on one level of your perception. If you allow yourself to be free, to discover in yourself this huge potentiality that everyone has. At that moment, you understand the poetry of Mallarme. The poetry of Lamartine at the same time, but at different levels. Male: Dr. Nicholasko speaks of another level of knowing that transcends the subject-object model. Dr. Nicholasko: So, what is the solution to say that these are third term between them which forbids the fueling of the subject and object? Subject and object remain different. When I'm looking at a tree, of course I can have communication, information with the tree and myself. I can even dream that I become the tree. The tree becomes myself, but still the tree is different from myself. Subject is different from the object. But a circulation of information, circulation of consciousness in the subject. Research that re-establish this unity of the subject and object but through a zone which is non-resistant to our representation, to our formalization, to our descriptions, to our theories. And these are called the hidden third. Male: According to Dr. Nicholasko, transdisciplinary studies can be a remedy for the current division of the academic disciplines. Dr. Nicholasko: There is no contradiction between disciplines and transdisciplinary, on the contrary, I would say that transdisciplinary is unique of the word Go through disciplinary knowledge. So it’s not a negation of the disciplinary, but what is in question is high ultra high specialization. Because it’s the process we have from the beginning of the universe. Male: In the 8th century, when the first university was established, there were 7 disciplines plus the study of the bible according to Nicholasko. Today, there are over a hundred times as many. So how does this impact our ability to understand reality? Dr. Nicholasko: Now, the number of discipline change through time in faster and faster and faster, it’s what I called in my manifesto of transdisciplinary, I called it big bang, a disciplinary big bang. We arrived today, there's a very serious spool made by National Science Foundation United States comes more than 8000 different disciplines in the academic world. I wouldn’t speak about non-academic world. 8000. So we have 8000 ways to look to reality. Each of them claims, more or less, there are the only way to see reality. So, what is an expert? An expert is a specialist in one discipline. But this means that an expert has no knowledge of all the other 7,999 disciplines. Male: So for Nicholasko, what is necessary for understanding the true nature of reality is transdisciplinary. As the prefix trans indicates, transdisciplinarity, a term introduced in 1970 by Jean

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