Owen makes a rare appearance in the Lounge to discuss his unique take on the weaning process. It involves a VW bus. 'Nuff said.
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Clay: Today in The Lounge we are with Owen. Hello! Owen: Hi! Clay: Today we are talking about weaning, which really if you think about it, its an interesting word. Owen: Yeah, you are right. Clay: Weaning. Owen: Weaning, as in the moon is weaning away. Clay: To me it sounds dirty. Owen: Yeah, in Greek it originally is dirty. Clay: Shouldn't it be breasting? Owen: No, breasting would be the beginning, because you are breasting. This should be unbreasting. Clay: Debreasting. Owen: Debreasting. Clay: So we will start the debreasting. Owen: Right. Clay: So you started in your house. You guys are in the debreasting process. Owen: We are specially in the night debreasting, because we were doing the breasting a lot during the night and it was not much sleep for Jodie, my wife. So we said, yeah, let's go ahead and night debreast. Clay: Well, that's good. Does your daughter sleep in the bed, does she sleep in -- Owen: Yeah, we do co-sleeping, and she has her own bed as well, which is actually nicer than ours, apparently, but she still, sort of, ends up, usually, most of the night, crawling in with us. Clay: So weaning is helpful to restore some sanity to the nighttime. Owen: Yeah, it's amazing how little sleep you get. But you know. Clay: So describe the process. What's the process you guys are going through here now to try and cut back the breastfeeding? How old is your daughter? Owen: She is 17, and that's been an issue too, because teenagers are so independent and stubborn. Clay: Well, they answer the cellphone right in the middle. Owen: Oh my gosh, and that's just embarrassing for the person on the other phone, because they can't understand a thing she is saying, because her mouth is full of her mother's nipple. Clay: Okay. That's not true. Owen: She is 20 months old, and so what we did is we had the conversation with her like, alright, no more yum-yum, we are going to chew to this thing now, we are going to have -- Clay: So you guys are using the technical language? Owen: Yes. We figured get her started, ready for Harvard. Yum-yum from the Latin nyam. So we had that discussion with her, and we chose the seven hours. Someone has written a really good process of folks who are doing co-sleeping and about night weaning. I can't remember his name right now. Clay: Ferber? Owen: Yeah. Is it Ferber? Clay: Ferber is like, kick that kid's ass and stick him in the bed. Owen: Not Ferber, not Ferber. Not that, let him cry, it's good for them. Clay: There are a number of books about sleeping through the night and we don't have a position on which of those are great. Owen: Right. But we don't align ourselves from Ferber, me and Jodie. Anyway, we had this discussion with her, and this guy was saying, choose seven hours that would be a good seven hours. So we chose the midnight till 7. So basically we realized that this was going to be hard. Our house is really tiny. So Jodie was just going to have to get out of there. She called some friends. Jodie is not real popular with people. So she ended up sleeping in our VW bus which we have; we have a 75 VW bus, Camper bus, so its actually good live in. So we set her up out there, so she couldn't hear Arden; that's our baby, being really upset when she woke up and I told her, no yum-yum till morning. So the first night was -- Clay: Your wife slept in the car. Owen: It's a VW Camper, it's not just a car. Clay: 75? Owen: Yeah, 1975. She had a quilt in there. Clay: So she is sleeping in the 75 bug. Owen: It wasn't a bug, it was a camper. These things are designed to have people sleep in them. Clay: Whatever, as long as you feel comfortable with that, who am I to judge? Owen: Right. I don't even think technically that's even homeless sleeping, you are in a residency of a bus. Clay: Is there a bridge nearby she could sleep under? Owen: Like down by the river or something? Clay: Yes. Owen: Yeah, I suppose she could have done that. It's nice in the morning. She got this