Naturally Nurturing is a company that gives advise and help for parents with children with sleep problems.
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Wendy Turner-Webster: Sleep is a major concern for parents with small children. Naturally Nurturing is a private sleep clinic that offers advice and practical support to parent with children who may have sleep and behavioral issues. Its aim is to work together with parents to solve their child's sleeping problems. With me in the studio from Naturally Nurturing is Chireal Shallow who is being studying and developing sleep techniques for over 11 years with her own children. Hello, Chireal. Chireal Shallow: Hello! Hi! Wendy Turner-Webster: Now also joining us is a client of yours, Kerry and one-year-old Connor (ph) and we are going to come to their story in a second, but before we do that, explain to me what is your company all about? Chireal Shallow: Well, basically, I set up the company because I just wanted to help parents with children who have got sleep problems and also I wanted to find an alternative because many families and mothers use controlled crying, and we wanted to actually look at a way in which we could find a, kind of, more nurturing way to helping babies sleep by actually addressing what the family wants as opposed to imposing with the structures. So that's basically the principle behind it. Wendy Turner-Webster: What's controlled crying? Chireal Shallow: Well, basically, it's a method of getting babies and children to sleep whereby you leave them to cry for longer and longer, and longer periods. I think the essential principle is that they'll give up, and just go to sleep once they realize that their needs aren't going to be met. We just believe that actually children cry for reason and let's find out what those needs are, meet those needs in a appropriate way, whilst helping them to sleep is to gain a better sleep pattern. Wendy Turner-Webster: Absolutely. Connor (ph), are you feeling left out? Come on now, we'll talk to your mummy now. Okay, Kerry, if you can -- why and how you got involved with Chireal? Kerry: Sure. Well, we called Chireal when Connor (ph) was about six-months-old and we had been up into that point, happily breastfeeding him to sleep, and we wanted to stop doing that. I was -- I wanted to have being able to go in the evenings, and I have to put him to sleep, but we also didn't want to let him cried out. So we were really committed not to doing that, so we are looking for alternatives and to that approach. Wendy Turner-Webster: So, so what was he was doing? He was breastfeeding, going to sleep while he was doing it and -- I see and that -- Kerry: So that I had to be there overnight for -- Wendy Turner-Webster: And the pattern was that he was doing that, a newborn didn't know how to break the pattern basically. Kerry: Exactly. Precisely, yeah. Wendy Turner-Webster: So what happened to you? What did you actually do to achieve them? Chireal Shallow: Well, basically, I had spoken with Kerry and found out exactly what she wanted because we offer many different types of services, and she found that you know, maybe just an hour's consultation, just an hour's chat would suffice. So I went down and met with the family, and found out what they wanted, just listened to them. They wanted Connor (ph) to be able to sleep without being dependent on the breast to sleep. So I thought through some of the ways that I could help them to achieve that and was also just recognizing how the family wanted to go to sleep. They kind of need co-sleep, and it was just about trying to embrace, sleeping well with -- then sleeping together with the family. Wendy Turner-Webster: Yeah, when you say co-sleep, you mean they will sleep together in the same bed. Chireal Shallow: They will share their bed. Yeah, that right. Wendy Turner-Webster: Which actually is funny isn't it? Because some people really frown almost upon that. Now my two little boys, six and two-and-a-half, we all still share the same bed. We did have to buy a super king size to fit them all in. However, it was pointed out to me quite early on that we are a