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How Much Inward Curve Space Should There Be In The Lower Back?

Jolie Bookspan, M.Ed, PhD, FAWM
Reader Carina asked a good question on the post Prevent Back Surgery about how much space there should be in the lower back inward curve. Comments were not accepted by the Blogger software for several weeks, and I could not reply in the comments. Her question is so good, it was chosen for this Fitness Fixer post.

Carina writes:
"Hello Jolie,
"Your information is so wonderful. Thanks for this stuff it's priceless.

I have been using the wall trick during the day when my back hurts (How to Feel Change to Neutral Spine). Wow it feels great. Only thing I can't STAY and walk like this. My knees are STUCK bent (or I go back to the big arch). I'd seriously look very odd walking around with bent knees. So here are my questions

"1) How much of my hand should go through when I am standing against the wall???
When I stand at the wall and do it naturally I can stick my whole arm to my elbow behind the arch.

"2) Besides these links you provided from a previous question
Fast Fitness - Quick Relaxing Hip
and
http://windowsxp-privacy.net/?id=198760105 "
(Note - the above link didn't come through in Carina's comment; I don't know which it is.)

"is there anything that helps me walk in neutral spine and not looking silly?
"Thanks for caring about our backs,
Carina"

Carina, great work. You have found that simply changing spinal angle (wall "trick") to reduce overarching works right away to reduce cause of pain. Next, here is how to retrain neutral spine into a normal natural stance:

1) Don't worry about "How much hand fits." It doesn't indicate amount of overarching. Lower spinal angle is what matters. Body proportions change the distance from wall - independent of spinal angle.

  • If you have too much tilt to the pelvis or you lean the upper body backward, lower spinal angle increases. To reduce an arch that is large, press the lower back closer to the wall.

  • The post Neutral Spine or Not? shows how to tell if your hip (pelvis) is tilted or straight, and/or if overarching (hyperlordosis/swayback) is coming from the upper body (leaning back). The wall maneuver shows you how to reduce the overarch. Don't press flat against the wall or you'll round like a beetle :-)

  • While standing at the wall, see if you can do a small "crunch" movement without rounding your upper body forward, to reduce the overly large arch. Movement is just from the hip and mid-torso. Hopefully, you will feel that you easily move the body without bending your knees. That should produce reduced lower back arch. Send some photos if you like and I will take a look.

2) Next, you need to make it possible and comfortable:

Hope to hear more about your successes. Send photos and I can post your continuing success in Readers Inspiring Stories.



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3 Comments:

  • At Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:02:00 PM, Blogger Danny said…

    I'm 30 year old and I have like shortened upper arms. When I stand still my elbows are not level with the iliac crest but with the rib cage. I can't for example touch my elbows together in front of my body.

    With this problem I have noticed that playing the piano and typing is always painful because my elbow are too high in comparison with the working plane. Sitting and writing is hard too.

    Do you think a combination of excessive curve in the lower back and strong tension in the shoulders might create the effect of having very short upper arms?

    Or I was simply born disproportionated and there's nothing I can do about it?

     
  • At Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:30:00 AM, Blogger Jolie Bookspan, M.Ed, PhD, FAWM said…

    Danny, maybe send some photos, front and side view, standing and doing your activity and we can start with that. Lower resolution for easy e-mail is fine.

     
  • At Friday, December 19, 2008 7:05:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I have short humeri too, but the two activities Danny mentions are the least of my problems. Why? Piano benches and office chairs have adjustable height! Adjust the height so that your forearms are in the proper position. If you then need a low stool to support your feet at the office, they're easily available. At the piano, you're probably moving around quite a bit anyhow.ni

     

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